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Old 03-14-2012, 04:40 AM   #13401
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He's not saying it was for Hal. He's saying the audience shouldn't need that info if the movie does its job well and we learn as the character learns.
The problem with that is that the movie wasn't only told by Hal's point of view but also Sinestro's.
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Old 03-14-2012, 05:16 AM   #13402
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It seems like one of the problems of the movie is that they really wanted to do both a lot of space stuff as well as have it centered on Earth. Seems like it would have been a lot better and cheaper if the movie would have started with the origin of John Stewart and then switch to Hal. Intro to concept > trip to Oa > back to Earth for that stuff. Would have made more sense, people who thought John Stewart was GL would understand (especially if he were worked into the advertisements), and the plot would have been somewhat smoother.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:43 AM   #13403
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The problem with that is that the movie wasn't only told by Hal's point of view but also Sinestro's.
The movie was told by Tomar Re (Geoffrey Rush).
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:37 PM   #13404
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He's not saying it was for Hal. He's saying the audience shouldn't need that info if the movie does its job well and we learn as the character learns.
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Precisely. I'm not saying that a narration HAS to be a bad thing, or even that it was in this instance. I'm just saying that it isn't NECESSARY if there is a plausible, built-in way for the audience to otherwise learn those things during the course of the movie...
And then people would've complained that there were too many exposition scenes. And if you skipped it altogether they'd ask where this Parallax guy came from and who he Guardians were. You can't win.

I just think that narration, regardless of whether or not it worked in GL, is a completely valid form of exposition. It's not a short cut. It's not failing to do their job. In fact, it's one of the oldest, most common forms. It goes back to the tradition of the chorus in Greek drama. Aristophanes used it. Shakespeare used it. I think it's valid.
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Old 03-14-2012, 02:46 PM   #13405
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And then people would've complained that there were too many exposition scenes. And if you skipped it altogether they'd ask where this Parallax guy came from and who he Guardians were. You can't win.

I just think that narration, regardless of whether or not it worked in GL, is a completely valid form of exposition. It's not a short cut. It's not failing to do their job. In fact, it's one of the oldest, most common forms. It goes back to the tradition of the chorus in Greek drama. Aristophanes used it. Shakespeare used it. I think it's valid.
Agreed. It's just a fact that the non comic reading movie audience knows next to nothing of GL...many of us have seen proof of this with people who confused GL with Green Hornet. So they need a lil background first. Star Wars had it in written form in the beginning of the movies and GL was spoken. One of my friends said it helped him understand the world of GL alot more.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:03 PM   #13406
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And then people would've complained that there were too many exposition scenes. And if you skipped it altogether they'd ask where this Parallax guy came from and who he Guardians were. You can't win.

I just think that narration, regardless of whether or not it worked in GL, is a completely valid form of exposition. It's not a short cut. It's not failing to do their job. In fact, it's one of the oldest, most common forms. It goes back to the tradition of the chorus in Greek drama. Aristophanes used it. Shakespeare used it. I think it's valid.
I think it is valid, as well, but it IS a short cut. That's not a derogatory term (or it doesn't have to be), just an acknowledgement that narration basically serves to TELL you something in a short time that would take longer to SHOW. And the only alternative isn't scenes heavy with expository dialogue. That's just narration by the characters, essentially (and again, not intrinsically bad). Another alternative is to show visually and through standard dialogue something that you COULD explain more quickly in a narration.

Narration is a way of getting explanations out of the way quickly so you can focus your time and energy on something else. And that's perfectly fine if the "something else" is more worthwhile, and presented entertainingly. IMHO, this movie kind of failed in that. The narration wasn't the problem, but I DID kind of find myself thinking that ditching Parallax and focusing more on Hal's introduction to the GLC (while fighting some kind of villain that required less complicated backstory to explain) MIGHT have been a more entertaining route to take-- and likely would not have required an opening narration.
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The problem with that is that the movie wasn't only told by Hal's point of view but also Sinestro's.
Huh? I didn't get that at all. I felt Sinestro was severely underused, actually.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:16 PM   #13408
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Huh? I didn't get that at all. I felt Sinestro was severely underused, actually.
Agreed. My dad who saw this flick...and is 81..said he liked Sinestro...and wondered why he wasn't in the movie more.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:29 PM   #13409
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I think it is valid, as well, but it IS a short cut. That's not a derogatory term (or it doesn't have to be) ... Another alternative is to show visually and through standard dialogue something that you COULD explain more quickly in a narration. ... And that's perfectly fine if the "something else" is more worthwhile, and presented entertainingly. ....
Okay, I can see that. My main point wasn't defending GL's use of it, anyway, just saying that opening narration doesn't immediately mean they're being cheap and the story will be lousy.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:48 AM   #13410
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Huh? I didn't get that at all. I felt Sinestro was severely underused, actually.
He was saying we should learn as the character learns and I meant in the movie we didn't only see what Hal saw but also Sinestro and even Abin Sur. So it was pobably a good idea to have an opening narration so people who dont know anything about GL have a little backround info.
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:00 AM   #13411
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Gl is on HBO tonight. I do believe it is the cable premier.
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:00 AM   #13412
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It is and I still say screw the hate, I love the GL movie everytime that I see it all I can do is smile and take it all in. I'll never argue that it's perfect or a great film but, everyone involved should be proud of what they did. It's a damn good movie and I would love to see a sequel because it's all there to take it to the next level in part 2.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:11 AM   #13413
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It is and I still say screw the hate, I love the GL movie everytime that I see it all I can do is smile and take it all in...
Yeah, I've seen it about 5 times and am ready to give the blu-ray another spin.
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:29 PM   #13414
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It is and I still say screw the hate, I love the GL movie everytime that I see it all I can do is smile and take it all in. I'll never argue that it's perfect or a great film but, everyone involved should be proud of what they did. It's a damn good movie and I would love to see a sequel because it's all there to take it to the next level in part 2.
I can't even finish the movie now, it bores me to tears. The score is like a lullaby.
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Old 03-18-2012, 02:39 PM   #13415
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I can't even finish the movie now, it bores me to tears. The score is like a lullaby.
well too bad for you then


everyone here knows i loved the film, could it had been better yes, was it the next Dark Knight/Avatar good no, it was what it was a good film, not a great film just a good one


h@ll i'm thinking of having a GL movie weekend one day, where i look at all the GL films we have up to date who's with me on this?
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:23 PM   #13416
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I enjoyed the Green Lantern movie for what it is (standard Superhero fare), but it wasn't a very good adaption (it did change a good number of things).
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:37 PM   #13417
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In a recent interview with matt lauer Joel McHale expressed interest in Green Lantern 2... Now the potential sequel is the butt off jokes...the gift that keeps on giving

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:53 PM   #13418
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In a recent interview with matt lauer Joel McHale expressed interest in Green Lantern 2... Now the potential sequel is the butt off jokes...the gift that keeps on giving

"Doing The Soup and doing Community are both pretty great, but I'd like to leave those at some point to do Green Lantern 2"
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:11 PM   #13419
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Very very curious...how this will all turn out

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Emeraldgamer do you really take that seriously? Joel McHale was mocking the fact that there won't be a sequel and that Green Lantern has become a joke because of the film.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:02 AM   #13421
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I would hate to see WB give up on Green Lantern so easily. Not every adaption of Superman or Batman has been wonderful,but we keep getting them for better or worse. As we should. I agree GL was a pretty coastly fail as far as money is concerned,But who's fault was that? You can consider Green Lantern a mistake if you like,But In my Opinion I feel that Shelving him for forever would be a more coastly mistake. In the Grand scheme of things.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:29 PM   #13422
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Emeraldgamer do you really take that seriously? Joel McHale was mocking the fact that there won't be a sequel and that Green Lantern has become a joke because of the film.
I know McHale is a comedian...I was not referring to him. I am referring to when we will get the official word if there will be a sequel or not. I'm betting WB will never say either way and let it all fade away.
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I would hate to see WB give up on Green Lantern so easily. Not every adaption of Superman or Batman has been wonderful,but we keep getting them for better or worse. As we should. I agree GL was a pretty coastly fail as far as money is concerned,But who's fault was that? You can consider Green Lantern a mistake if you like,But In my Opinion I feel that Shelving him for forever would be a more coastly mistake. In the Grand scheme of things.
Awesome post and agree 100%
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:38 PM   #13424
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I'm betting WB will never say either way and let it all fade away.
I would think so. Can anyone even remember a studio officially saying a movie was a failure and there will never be a sequel?
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:39 PM   #13425
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I'm curious...if the internet as it is today would have been around when Star Trek: TMP was released...how would it have faired? Would it be the butt of jokes as well? Would it have prevented ST: WOK from being made?
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