Geoff Johns delusion of grandeur

[superpc]

have anyone notice that for each comic he has taken over he makes everything bigger, greater (the number of character and faction, though not necessarily the story). just take a look at Superman, apparently having 3 (power girl is still a kryptonian though not of mainstream universe) kryptonian is not enough there needs to be more than 100000 of them more, and for their enemies, general sam lane an a planet full of magician.

having 3600 green lantern is not enough, we now have more than 7200 GL, plus scores of other lanterns (sinestro has at least 3600 member at the start of sinestro corps war) from every color of the rainbow (literally). with GL books he even thinks all the lantern is STILL not enough, he has to resurrect dead people.

I wonder, if he ever takes over batman books, maybe he'll have batman take over leagues of shadows and make an army of batmen.

when do you guys think enough is enough? when will geoff johns stopped adding new faction and character and use what he already have?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by superpc

have anyone notice that for each comic he has taken over he makes everything bigger, greater (the number of character and faction, though not necessarily the story). just take a look at Superman, apparently having 3 (power girl is still a kryptonian though not of mainstream universe) kryptonian is not enough there needs to be more than 100000 of them more, and for their enemies, general sam lane an a planet full of magician.

having 3600 green lantern is not enough, we now have more than 7200 GL, plus scores of other lanterns (sinestro has at least 3600 member at the start of sinestro corps war) from every color of the rainbow (literally). with GL books he even thinks all the lantern is STILL not enough, he has to resurrect dead people.

I wonder, if he ever takes over batman books, maybe he'll have batman take over leagues of shadows and make an army of batmen.

when do you guys think enough is enough? when will geoff johns stopped adding new faction and character and use what he already have?

if creators stopped and just used what we had, there would be no progression

no wally west, no barry allen, no justice league of america, no young justice, etc

no tim drake, no conner, etc

I applaud geoff

[superpc]

Originally Posted by Old School

if creators stopped and just used what we had, there would be no progression

no wally west, no barry allen, no justice league of america, no young justice, etc

no tim drake, no conner, etc

I applaud geoff

justice league is a compilation of previously existing heroes. what you said is geoff problem. other writer just content on adding new characters, wally west, tim drake, is only one character, while geoff feels the need of adding new faction with thousand of new character.

[W.West]

If it doesn't hurt the story and makes a natural sense then I'm fine with it. That being said, I don't think Geoff Johns could write a Batman story I would enjoy.

I really dont like the whole new krypton crap.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by superpc

justice league is a compilation of previously existing heroes. what you said is geoff problem. other writer just content on adding new characters, wally west, tim drake, is only one character, while geoff feels the need of adding new faction with thousand of new character.

but those characters would have never exisited, if a creator didnt evolve from what was already there.

such as firestorm, elongated man, red tornado, vixen and on and on.

your talking about geoff adding thousands. these thousands make page space, cannon fodder, etc. hes not focusing on 1,000's of characters where we need to know their names and stuff. every comic has a core group of characters and the corps still does as well

its a big universe and geoff is just filling it up.

[superpc]

Originally Posted by W.West

If it doesn't hurt the story and makes a natural sense then I'm fine with it. That being said, I don't think Geoff Johns could write a Batman story I would enjoy.

Originally Posted by Old School

but those characters would have never exisited, if a creator didnt evolve from what was already there.

such as firestorm, elongated man, red tornado, vixen and on and on.

your talking about geoff adding thousands. these thousands make page space, cannon fodder, etc. hes not focusing on 1,000's of characters where we need to know their names and stuff. every comic has a core group of characters and the corps still does as well

its a big universe and geoff is just filling it up.

in the case of green lantern i can understand. it really is a big universe and before GL and more so GLC i never even realize how huge the scope of DC universe really is. adding all those new faction to this universe is fitting.

but he doesn't have to do that in all his books. i don't think new krypton is necessary, all the basic idea of storyline presented in new krypton can still be presented with existing characters without the need of adding 100000 kryptonian.

[JohnnyV]

Originally Posted by W.West

If it doesn't hurt the story and makes a natural sense then I'm fine with it. That being said, I don't think Geoff Johns could write a Batman story I would enjoy.

agreed. While I like Johns when it comes to events like The Blackest Night I feel that in a regular series that's just trying to tell stories his stuff becomes a bit muddled. Batman is all about personal stories with more emotion than action and epicness.

Always wanted to see a main Batman Azzarello series as it is now. I liked Broken City, and would like to see his take on the current goings-ons of the Batman storyline.

[Dr. Naysay]

I haven't been reading the Superman stuff... but isn't New Krytpon populated by the previously bottled city of Kandor? Making it not new at all.... or am I wrong?

[Lantern]

I'm glad we have a GLC back again. It was such a bummer when we lost everything with Emerald Twilight. They tried to give us substitute corps but it never worked. Finally we have the GLC back and it makes sense that they would have partners, just like cops. I'm glad to see how it works out. With World of Krypton, that was a writer's compilation on Superman, so Geoff might be the main man or not behind it, but who said that it will last forever. Remember one of Superman's tag lines is "Sole surviver of a doomed planet." I personally look forward to Geoff John's writing Batman. I think he could really spice up Batman's villains and give Bruce or Dick some really good insights.

Delusions of Grandeur indeed, especially when a GL event is the #1 book on Diamond's sales charts. I hope he has more.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Lantern

I'm glad we have a GLC back again.

Thank Tomasi (when he was editor) and Gibbons for that, not Geoff.

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Thank Tomasi (when he was editor) and Gibbons for that, not Geoff.

I think he is referring to the organization, not necessarily the book. Geoff IS responsible for the organization being revived (though I'm pretty sure that, had he not done it, some one else would have. Everything was leading that way even before Rebirth.)

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

I think he is referring to the organization, not necessarily the book. Geoff IS responsible for the organization being revived

Nope.

1. The idea and basis for the Corps revival/Hal Jordan resurrection came from the then-editor Peter Tomasi, not Geoff.
2. The Central Power Battery was already restored pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
3. The base Corps was already in place... Kyle, John, and Kilowog were all alive and active Green Lanterns pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
4. The Guardians were already resurrected pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
5. The actual Green Lantern Corps were rebuilt in "Green Lantern Corps: Recharge," not Rebirth... and that was only co-written by Geoff.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Nope.

1. The idea and basis for the Corps revival/Hal Jordan resurrection came from the then-editor Peter Tomasi, not Geoff.
2. The Central Power Battery was already restored pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
3. The base Corps was already in place... Kyle, John, and Kilowog were all alive and active Green Lanterns pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
4. The Guardians were already resurrected pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
5. The actual Green Lantern Corps were rebuilt in "Green Lantern Corps: Recharge"... which was only co-written by Geoff.

and thats that, this is why andrew is in charge here.

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Nope.

1. The idea and basis for the Corps revival/Hal Jordan resurrection came from the then-editor Peter Tomasi, not Geoff.
2. The Central Power Battery was already restored pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
3. The base Corps was already in place... Kyle, John, and Kilowog were all alive and active Green Lanterns pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
4. The Guardians were already resurrected pre-Rebirth & Geoff.
5. The actual Green Lantern Corps were rebuilt in "Green Lantern Corps: Recharge," not Rebirth... and that was only co-written by Geoff.

Like I said, things were already heading that direction, and so would have gotten there without Geoff. But you are being deliberately obtuse to deny that Geoff is the one who actually wrote them back into being.

Geoff Johns now has a delusion of grandeur? Bloody hell, man, what does it take for a fandom to appreciate the man? He's a proven literary god amonst men in the comic book writing community and has bent over backwards to please just about everyone.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

But you are being deliberately obtuse to deny that Geoff is the one who actually wrote them back into being.

I guess I'm curious, then... what is the Geoff Johns story that "wrote them back into being" that he can claim full credit for?

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I guess I'm curious, then... what is the Geoff Johns story that "wrote them back into being" that he can claim full credit for?

I guess I'm curious, then... how is it that you require a single STORY that Geoff can take FULL writing credit for to give him the credit, yet you were perfectly willing to give the credit to others (cutting Geoff out entirely) without the benefit of that distinction?

Look, I don't really want to get into a big argument over it. It isn't that important. I'm not trying to give Geoff too much credit- like I said, even without him, the Corps was going to be coming back. But you seem to be refusing to give him ANY credit (maybe I'm misunderstanding you), which just seems disingenuous, since it sure seems like he was the creative force (not editorial, creative) behind shaping the new GL status quo.

[superpc]

Originally Posted by HalFingJordan

Geoff Johns now has a delusion of grandeur? Bloody hell, man, what does it take for a fandom to appreciate the man? He's a proven literary god amonst men in the comic book writing community and has bent over backwards to please just about everyone.

well he IS a good writer there's no denying that just take a look at smallville episode legion (the first time legion of superheroes got in to smallville universe) and i can't wait for justice society episode this season.

all i'm saying is he makes his every work grand and i don't think it's necessary. just look at new krypton. superman was the last kryptonian. now kandor (+argo city) is the last kryptonian city. not everything have to be epic and grand. GL has to be epic and grand, hell wonder woman can be epic (the direct to dvd movie and amazon attack illustrates this although amazon attack did it less justice), but superman? batman? superman should be the last son of krypton, and i can't even begin to imagine how can a batman story be epic, batman should be deeply emotional, make one think, just like the movie the dark knight (it's a great story, but it's not epic in a sense of blackest night or lord of the ring epic).

i guess i'm just a fan of doing more with less.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I guess I'm curious, then... what is the Geoff Johns story that "wrote them back into being" that he can claim full credit for?

I think he had some role in helping to bring them back is what he is saying, but he wasn't the main guy who wrote them back into being, he just set the stage. I think Gibbons deserves more credit for creating some of the newer members of the Corps like Vath Sarn and Isamot Kol, but I think Geoff deserves a bit more credit for creating Soranik since it seems like he already had a plan laid out for her with Sinestro being her father and stuff.

[Maverick_GL]

I agree to a large degree with the initial post: Adding more of something waters it down. Green Lanterns aren't so special anymore, they aren't "bearers of the most powerful weapon in the universe" anymore, they are bearers of "one of 8 most powerful weapons in the universe".

There was a time when a single GL was responsible for their entire sector. This meant they had to be the best of the best, and able to solve problems on their own. But now it seems like they can't do squat without having their partner there with them, or multiple GLs even. Yeah, sometimes in the past there were team ups, but that was only when it was absolutely necessary, not all the time.

Imagine this - Clint Eastwood in many of his old movies was a "lone cowboy" that got stuff done on his own. Yeah, he would enlist the help of some locals now and again, but by and large it was all him. If we had two, it would seem less special. If we had a whole band of him, it would be even less special and wouldn't make nearly the impact it does when it's a single man.

Another analogy can be taken from Plato/Socrates:

Pure white light is perfect. All you need is a single square (lets just say 1 inch squared) of perfect white light for it to be perfect. You don't need more of this, it doesn't make it anymore perfect. On top of that, infinite impure white light is still less perfect than a tiny piece of limited pure white light. See where I'm going with this?

More isn't always better, and in many cases, less is more.

I enjoy the Emo Corps, but I really hope when all is said and done, we see severely decreased #s of all the Corps, including the GLs.

[TEN_RINGS]

i like how things are going with gl but there should only be one superman.. and batman is batman...i like how there are all the corps in green lantern. i know that everyone has dreamed of there being a character with a blue ring or red or whatever for years before this stuff all happened.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

5. The actual Green Lantern Corps were rebuilt in "Green Lantern Corps: Recharge," not Rebirth... and that was only co-written by Geoff.

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

I guess I'm curious, then... how is it that you require a single STORY that Geoff can take FULL writing credit for to give him the credit, yet you were perfectly willing to give the credit to others (cutting Geoff out entirely) without the benefit of that distinction?

But I didn't "cut Geoff out entirely"... I acknowledge he co-wrote Recharge.

But the blanket statements, "Geoff brought back the Corps"/"We should be thankful Geoff brought back the Corps" is bullshit. Geoff has a partial stake in things, that's all.

And he's not even the one that got the ball rolling on that.

[Sylent_Asassin]

If it makes for a good story and doesn't screw with the mythology, I'm all for it. Just think- Without Blackest Night, what would we be talking about? SCW/BN is why at least half of us are here on this forum.

[superpc]

bravo maverick you convey my point better than i did. unless geoff and company can find more stuff to do for the other lantern (green or otherwise) i wish some of them (a lot of them) got killed (the nameless grunt, not any major ones, please don't kill saint walker or ganthet).