John remembers being a Guardian

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Just thought I'd throw this out there. I never remembered the endgame events of "Mosaic" ever being mentioned until I read Darkstars #24 just now.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Just thought I'd throw this out there. I never remembered the endgame events of "Mosaic" ever being mentioned until I read Darkstars #24 just now.

Yeah, that was one of his first appearances post-ET (it is in Darkstars that we find out that he apparently SLEPT THROUGH ET. ) I assume they felt they couldn't use him in Darkstars without at least a cursory reference to the last time we saw him. As far as I know, his time as a Guardian was never mentioned again, and his time on Mosaic was only mentioned in passing, but usually ignored (one time being when they felt they HAD to make a mention of it being evacuated, to avoid unintentionally portraying Kyle as a mass-murderer for blowing up Oa without checking for inhabitants).

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I sent a e-mail to the editors at DC a couple of years ago asking about John's status as a Guardian since the core battery was restored. The responce I got back was very cryptic and said that it would be delt with. I have yet to see anything directly perhaps it's still comming.


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I sent a e-mail to the editors at DC a couple of years ago asking about John's status as a Guardian since the core battery was restored. The responce I got back was very cryptic and said that it would be delt with. I have yet to see anything directly perhaps it's still comming.


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Sounds like it might have been lost of the shuffle of Hal returning from the dead.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Sounds like it might have been lost of the shuffle of Hal returning from the dead.

I think it was lost long before that. But you may be right that the focus on Hal's return made it get shoved even FARTHER into the background.

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I sent a e-mail to the editors at DC a couple of years ago asking about John's status as a Guardian since the core battery was restored. The responce I got back was very cryptic and said that it would be delt with. I have yet to see anything directly perhaps it's still comming.


Darth_Andrea

By a couple of years do you mean literally 2005 around the time of Rebirth, or a bit before even that?

If a bit before that, I think Mister Ed is right and there was a whirlwind of creative plans -- both creative and editorial -- all over the place.

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I think it was lost long before that. But you may be right that the focus on Hal's return made it get shoved even FARTHER into the background.

Hal tends to do that to other GLs, he's the William Shatner of the GLC.

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Hal tends to do that to other GLs, he's the William Shatner of the GLC.

Now, now, let's not get nasty.

(Don't forget, it was Kyle's arrival on the scene, and the need for him to be the one-and-only, that completely scuttled John's Mosaic development in the first place.)

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Now, now, let's not get nasty.

(Don't forget, it was Kyle's arrival on the scene, and the need for him to be the one-and-only, that completely scuttled John's Mosaic development in the first place.)

I meant that in the nicest possible way of course.

Shatner is a great actor, a damn fine police officer, and a great Starship captain, and a pretty good defense attorney.

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It was just after the Final Night that I sent the e-mail Hal was dead at that point and wasn't the Spector yet.


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By a couple of years do you mean literally 2005 around the time of Rebirth, or a bit before even that?

If a bit before that, I think Mister Ed is right and there was a whirlwind of creative plans -- both creative and editorial -- all over the place.

I've always thought (just my opinion mind you) that it was around GL vol3 #150 that DC was determined to shake up GL and make heavy changes. I think Hal returning was an evolution of that time, but not exactly the first thing on the agenda. I think they had several plans in mind, because that book was jumping around quite a bit for a while, like they WANTED to shake the hell out of it to generate interest, but were afraid tocommit to anything until the editor was changed.

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As for John's time as a Guardian...ugh. Mention it in passing as a joke sometime if they want (like they made fun of Guy's time with the yellow ring last issue), but there isn't a story here to chase.

Besides, temporarily becoming an omnipotent god is a rite of passagealmost every high powered super hero has to make at least once during their publishing history. It's like a man's first beer in the superhero world!

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As for John's time as a Guardian...ugh. Mention it in passing as a joke sometime if they want (like they made fun of Guy's time with the yellow ring last issue), but there isn't a story here to chase.

Besides, temporarily becoming an omnipotent god is a rite of passagealmost every high powered super hero has to make at least once during their publishing history. It's like a man's first beer in the superhero world!

I tend to agree that they probably shouldn't try to pick it up now, but I get the sense that we disagree on the merit of the storyline in the first place. I thought the whole Mosaic storyline with John had loads of potential, but at this point they have squandered it so thoroughly that I think it is virtually impossible to get it back. It sounds like you (and I could be misinterpreting, so sorry if that's the case) didn't think it ever had potential, and are just as glad that it got dropped way back when.

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Hal tends to do that to other GLs, he's the William Shatner of the GLC.

I love it! Should be a bumper sticker!

As for John's time as a Guardian...ugh. Mention it in passing as a joke sometime if they want (like they made fun of Guy's time with the yellow ring last issue), but there isn't a story here to chase.

Besides, temporarily becoming an omnipotent god is a rite of passagealmost every high powered super hero has to make at least once during their publishing history. It's like a man's first beer in the superhero world!

Yeah, I hope they never bring that shit up again. After Issue, oh say, Number 1, I cringed to read Mosaic. The writing was psychotic, the art was weird (everything bleeding all the time, like parrots and basketballs would be in the panel, and just start bleeding).

I think it's one of the first things they forgot when they started revamping GL, and I think it was an Oh Shit moment because the rumblings were there to put out Emerald Twilight, and I think they decided it was best to leave well enough alone. And good - no need to fix that plot hole.

I'm starting to ramble...going to bed.

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As for John's time as a Guardian...ugh. Mention it in passing as a joke sometime if they want (like they made fun of Guy's time with the yellow ring last issue), but there isn't a story here to chase.

Pretty much how I'd see it.

And at any rate, I don't believe it was planned all along. I'm fairly certain it was indicative of what I'd nickname "Last Ride Writer's Syndrome." What I mean is, editorial has told you they're canning your book 2 or 3 months out... you have -- within reason -- carte blanche to have your book "go out in a blaze of glory" however you see fit. You naturally, then, shake things up as best as you can, stir the pot as heartily as allowed, to ensure that even though your book is cancelled, the waves will be felt for years to come -- at least in theory.

So I'd say... yeah, if the whole deal with Emerald Twilight/Parallax/Kyle hadn't come down, Mosaic might have lasted a bit longer as-was... but I don't think John would have become a Guardian (at least any longer than over the course of a single story arc).