Any other Star Trek fans on here??

[Jeff Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Jeff]

GOD DAMMIT ION.......

I'm so pissed at you right now because I want to start reading trek novels again.


That was a joke, btw. I'm actually very excited he brought up that book.


So, if I understand the novel timeline correctly, I need to read Greater than the Sum, and afterwards, the Destiny trilogy to completely catch up on all things Borg. Do I have that right?

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

GOD DAMMIT ION.......

I'm so pissed at you right now because I want to start reading trek novels again.


That was a joke, btw. I'm actually very excited he brought up that book.


So, if I understand the novel timeline correctly, I need to read Greater than the Sum, and afterwards, the Destiny trilogy to completely catch up on all things Borg. Do I have that right?

Well, before "Greater than the Sum" there were "Resistance" and "Before Dishonor", which were both Borg centered.

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...It wasn't until the shows were all off the air (and new movies seemed unlikely) that they really started doing serious world-building in the novels, establishing new characters, crossing over characters from various shows, having events that had repercussions across the line, and major changes to the status quo. At this point, though they may not be officially canon, they are largely consistent and integrated, and are probably all we will be getting going forward for most, if not all, of the characters in question.

I understood the so-called season eight DS9 novels to be considered canon by Paramount.

But besides the continuation novels, they're not canon. My take on all the EU books in any franchise is that they are "what happened" unless they are contradicted by the official canon (the shows in the case of Trek, the movies in the case of SW).

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I understood the so-called season eight DS9 novels to be considered canon by Paramount.

A lot of the time, I think any statement of that sort is more of a PR move than anything. Maybe I'm cynical, but I don't consider as canon anything that I'm fairly certain would be considered ignore-able by anybody who was making a theoretical new show or movie set in the Star Trek universe. Much as I have enjoyed the "continuation" novels, I have no doubt in my mind that in the (increasingly unlikely) event that a future Star Trek project was set in the same universe as TNG, DS9, or Voyager (the properties involved in the "continuation" novels), the contents of those novels would not be something they felt tied to at all.

In the case of Star Trek, though, it is a difference that makes no difference at this point, since I fully expect we will NEVER be getting anything further filmed that could actually contradict this stuff. There were a few novels written in the Abrams-verse, set in Kirk's Academy days, but I don't think those are canon, as I'm virtually certain that nothing in them will ever be considered by the filmmakers going forward. (There were actually MORE novels planned...and actually written, I think...set in the Abrams-verse after the first new film, but they were scrapped specifically because they had no wish to put anything out there that could possibly conflict with what the filmmakers wanted to do going forward.)

That's why I found the idea that the Star Wars EU was canon to be...questionable. While I didn't doubt the possibility that stuff in the EU could BECOME canon, I never for a minute believed that Lucas would feel even a little bit constrained by anything that appeared in the EU, if he had a different idea for a movie.

But besides the continuation novels, they're not canon. My take on all the EU books in any franchise is that they are "what happened" unless they are contradicted by the official canon (the shows in the case of Trek, the movies in the case of SW).

Your take is a bit more generous than mine, I guess. I figure they are not canon until confirmed in visual medium. But I still enjoy them.

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Well, if they ever decide to do DS9 2.0 and undo the novel all 10 of the fans for them can protest Paramount studios.

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Well, before "Greater than the Sum" there were "Resistance" and "Before Dishonor", which were both Borg centered.

Ok, so chronologically (after Nemesis):

Resistance
Before Dishonor
Greater than the Sum
Destiny Trilogy (Gods of Night, Mere Mortals, & Lost Souls)

I'm going to be referring to this post a lot, so I figured I would make any additional changes here.

Btw, I bought the Destiny Trilogy in it's entirety on Kindle already for 15 bucks. Considering each individual book was 8 bucks, I think that was a relatively good deal.

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Well, if they ever decide to do DS9 2.0 and undo the novel all 10 of the fans for them can protest Paramount studios.

Hay.


HAY.

DS9 rocks.

So, you are a Rodimus Hater AND a DS9 hater.

*grabs Lionel Atwill's wooden arm again*









Ok, but that was kinda funny. 10 fans. LOL

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Ok, so chronologically (after Nemesis):

Resistance
Before Dishonor
Greater than the Sum
Destiny Trilogy (Gods of Night, Mere Mortals, & Lost Souls)

Yeah, as far as the Borg go, that's pretty much it. Unless you consider books dealing with...hmmm how to say this without giving too much away?...some of the aftermath from Destiny, with regards to certain characters. Technically Q & A comes between Resistance and Before Dishonor, but it has nothing to do with the Borg, IIRC. (In fact, it is largely irrelevant to most everything, by design.)

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Yeah, as far as the Borg go, that's pretty much it. Unless you consider books dealing with...hmmm how to say this without giving too much away?...some of the aftermath from Destiny, with regards to certain characters. Technically Q & A comes between Resistance and Before Dishonor, but it has nothing to do with the Borg, IIRC. (In fact, it is largely irrelevant to most everything, by design.)

No worries, I *think* I understand what you are talking about. Looking at this "Memory Alpha" or "Beta" or whatever it's called, I got very confused. Nothing is linear, but I found this:

"The trilogy has a significant impact on the Star Trek universe, which is followed up on in four subsequent books: A Singular Destiny by Keith R.A. DeCandido, deals with the political fallout of the trilogy; Full Circle by Kirsten Beyer, which fills in the gap between the previous Voyager novel Enemy of My Enemy and Destiny and establishes a new direction for that series; Over a Torrent Sea by Christopher L. Bennett, in which the Titan crew return to their mission of exploration; and Losing the Peace by William Leisner, a TNG novel dealing with the immediate aftermath within the Federation. "

I'm guessing Q & A has to do with everyone's favorite Omnipotent being? God, I miss John DeLancie "brightening up" Picard or Janeway's day. haha

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I found the chart at this link pretty helpful in sorting out what books are in what order and tie to what other books in some way (though it doesn't start at the very beginning of the "continuation" novels).

http://www.shastrix.com/books/star-t...ding-order.php

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I found the chart at this link pretty helpful in sorting out what books are in what order and tie to what other books in some way (though it doesn't start at the very beginning of the "continuation" novels).

http://www.shastrix.com/books/star-t...ding-order.php

Damn. And I thought the political overtones of the Prequel Trilogy were confusing.

Bookmarked. That will be a great asset in case I decide to go batshit crazy and start reading everything Trek.

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I found the chart at this link pretty helpful in sorting out what books are in what order and tie to what other books in some way (though it doesn't start at the very beginning of the "continuation" novels).

http://www.shastrix.com/books/star-t...ding-order.php

WW!

thanks i'll be using this from time to time

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HAY.

DS9 rocks.

So, you are a Rodimus Hater AND a DS9 hater.

*grabs Lionel Atwill's wooden arm again*

Ok, but that was kinda funny. 10 fans. LOL

Actually, it was only supposed to refer to the people specifically who are diehard fans of the books. But even there, I say it with a wink and nod since I bought vol. 1 of the DS9 novels for Kindle (but haven't read them yet).



As to the show, when DS9 aired I quit just after season 1, but recently watched it all on Netflix. My feelings are that it is the least "Trek" of the Star Trek shows in the sense that it is the grittiest (and furthest from Roddenberry's optimistic, utopian humanism) and includes the most non-Starfeet stuff. BUT, I liked it and think it makes for pretty good, addictive sci-fi drama.

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About to watch Endgame. I love how Susanna Thompson has this "I'm gonna rip your throat out, woman" whenever she learns that Janeway is causing her trouble. Again.
Janeway and the Queen really need to get in a ring with each other.

I don't know who I like better as the Queen- Alice Krige or Susanna Thompson. They both bring such interesting characteristics to the role. Krige has this cold but smooth way of expression, while Thompson seems like she has the potential to actually "love" her creations.

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As to the show, when DS9 aired I quit just after season 1, but recently watched it all on Netflix. My feelings are that it is the least "Trek" of the Star Trek shows in the sense that it is the grittiest (and furthest from Roddenberry's optimistic, utopian humanism) and includes the most non-Starfeet stuff. BUT, I liked it and think it makes for pretty good, addictive sci-fi drama.

The very things that set it apart from Roddenberry's vision are what makes it fantastic, IMHO. That's why it remains my favorite Trek show. Yet, even through all the hardship, struggle, and death, the family of Terok Nor remained together, maybe even stronger as a result. Plus, the Dominion. As much as I like the Borg, the Jem'hadar friggin' scared me. That's why I always wanted to see the two set against each other. That would make for such a fantastic war, even in novel form. But I digress.

The Cardassian-Bajoran war, the arrival of the Founders, Quark, Grand Nagus Zek.... oh, now I want to go watch it all again.