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We really dodged a bullet on that one, didn't we?Do good. Be well. Make happy.Comment
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Yep. It is one of the signs of the apocalypse when Nicolas Cage takes on the cape and tights.Originally posted by Parrylakks View PostComment
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no argument, which is Y Id like to get away from that; I mean doesnt it kinda blow to have to weaken him in order to get any kinda fight outta him??Originally posted by GLJIMT View Post
thats Y Mongul or DS are more desired choices IMNSHO......
Tazer
Originally posted by Andrew NDBComment
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Or let's have Hank Henshaw. I'd love to see him done on the big screen. That'd be cool if done right.Comment
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that actually wouldnt be bad at all, would also be funny to have Supes deal w/DCs answer to the FF.
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Originally posted by Andrew NDBComment
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I'm not thrilled about a reboot. It seems like a pussy way to cop out and say they can't fix it. When they certainly can, they just have no faith and are lazy Hollywood bastards.
But if anything this would be the perfect opportunity to redesign Superman's costume for the 21st century. Now, I know I may get alot of arguments on that, but hear me out. Firstly, I know it's iconic and you can't change it blah blah blah. However, he has changed many times in the comics and always reverts back.
Batman has changed numerous times, never straying too far from the original with minor tweaks here and there from grey/blue to greay/black. Add a yellow cirlce to the symbol and take it away again. Multiple different belts etc. Not only that, but the Burton, Schumacher and Nolan films are all drastically different from each other and even further from the comics.
Superman has had some smaller changes amy times from the symbol to adding the boots and such. Then when he died he came back in black, then he went to Blue and Red costumes. But again always reverted back closest to his original first appearance.
Now, if they can do it well and not go crazy with color changes and whatnot. But actually practicalize it like with BB and TDK. Then it could really work. Firstly they should definately take out the speedo underoos. Then go from there. As much as I love his iconic look and costume, I really can't stand the underwear and he needs to replace it with something more this day and age. The luchadores excuse doesn't work anymore.Comment
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I have to disagree w/ya there: 1 thing that should NOT change is his costume.
Im sorry, but some things R just too iconic to be fucked with......
Tazer
Originally posted by Andrew NDBComment
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Minor changes and tweaks should be allowed. They made minor changes for Superman Returns and I thought the costume looked great.
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I'm not saying they should use this specifically. But it's a good example of not using the underwear:
Now just put it on Routh.Comment
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I've always been fond of this one:
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I kinda like that, though I think it works better without the writing on the belt in the top pic.
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U mean U actually like that crotch-accentuating leather boy outfit??Originally posted by Darth_Andrea View Post
ewww. *shivers*
that reminds me of the Batsuits from IIRC Batman & Robin that actually had nipples......NIPPLES!! some things U can jig with, but others really need to be left alone. thats my opinion granted, which amount to a hill of fuck-beans in H-wood I know but still I gotta say it.
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Originally posted by Andrew NDBComment
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How I would do it
Superman (2010)
Metropolis. A huge tracking shot establishes that people in this world already know who Superman is. A newspaper stand has a Daily Planet with the picture of Superman saving a damaged space shuttle, a street vendor (called Winslow Schott, in an easter egg for the fans) is selling inofficial Superman toys, people might be wearing t-shirts and baseball caps with the classic S-Shield. People know Superman. Just like the audience does. When a construction builder played by Michael Clarke Duncan falls off a construction site, Superman saves him. Of course, this sets up Steel for a later movie.
Next, we're inside the Daily Planet offices. The usual hustle and bustle. The introduction of Jimmy Olsen (played by Seth Green).
In this universe, Jimmy is not wearing a bowtie. Not ever. He is not incompetent either. He is not a wannabe-photographer, and he is not a teenager. In this universe, Jimmy is Perry White's personal assistant. He will not have a Superman signal watch. He will not be Superman's best pal. However, he will be Clark Kent's best pal. Both started at the Daily Planet at roughly the same (but unspecified) time, they are close enough in age, and the uptight Clark is the perfect straight man for Jimmy's jokes. I'd let Seth Green improvise a bit in the tracking shot and then move over to the office of Perry White (played by Dan Hedaya).
Perry is a lot more competent than his previous incarnations. He's no choleric pseudo-Jameson. He's not the moron from the Dean Cain series. He's still a reporter at heart. Oh, and he's not Lois Lane's uncle-in-law.
Speaking of which, I guess this is our introduction to Lois Lane (played by Winona Ryder).
Breaking from traditional origin stories, and further hammering home the point that this movie is the start of something new, this is Lois Lane's first day at the Daily Planet. Yes, that's right. Clark is already working there and has gone public as Superman before he ever met her. And why not? Their chemistry will still be the same (especially since Lois is determined to find out his true identity), she will still be a strong character, and it's an elegant way of showing that she never had Superman's child. Because she's never met him before. Anyway, Perry gives her a bit of exposition about the Daily Planet and then gives her a desk close to Clark Kent (played by Stuart Townsend).
Yeah. I didn't cast Brandon Routh. He was good in the role, but I want to distance this movie from Superman Returns as much as I can. This is something new.
Anyway, we get a bit of smalltalk between Lois and Clark (and Jimmy), before the two of them go to a Lexcorp press conference which is supposed to reveal a new supersuit that should protect police officers, firefighters and Lexcorp's security guards. This press conference is where we meet Lex Luthor (played by Gabriel Byrne).
That's right, Luthor. You can't really have a Superman film without Lex Luthor (unless you count Superman 3, but please don't, that thing was an even bigger insult to the character than #4 was). In fact, the promo material will make it seem like Luthor is the bad guy once again.
But he's not.
In this film, Luthor is a popular businessman and philantropist (with hair!), close to the Byrne version. In fact, he will be Superman's ally in a way (or so it seems). Both want to protect Metropolis and its citizens, but they have very different motivations. And methods. However, there's something wrong with the supersuits and Clark will have to become Superman and save everyone present - without letting his mask slip in front of Lois. This is our first action sequence. The suit AI is malfunctioning, and Superman now has to fight the suits without hurting the men inside. He uses several of his powers. But was this an accident, or is Luthor really trying to kill Superman? Lois isn't sure.
Anyway, Luthor is not the bad guy of this movie (we've had enough of that in the last thirty years). Morgan Wilde (played by Joaquin Phoenix) is.
Who the shit is Morgan Wilde, you say? Well, Morgan Wilde was the secret identity of the U.L.T.R.A. Humanite from Legends of the DC Universe #1-3. In this movie, I merge the U.L.T.R.A. Humanite and the original Ultra-Humanite (Superman's first super villain ever). Morgan Wilde is a scientist, one of the most intelligent men alive. Kinda like Reed Richards, only evil. Wilde reinvents himself as the Ultra-Humanite, the most powerful human alive, the Anti-Superman. He then tries to fight Superman, but fails. Obviously. What Superman doesn't know is that the Ultra-Humanite has one power Superman doesn't have. He can leave his body and possess other people. His plan was to lure out Superman and possess him. But it doesn't work, Superman seems to be immune.
Our subplot has Clark falling in love with Lois, while she is trying to figure out Superman's true identity. At the same time, the Ultra-Humanite is switching bodies, even possessing Lois and Lex at times. When he can't possess Clark, he realizes that Clark must be Superman.
Back in his original body, Wilde takes the people around Clark hostage. He threatens to kill them all if Superman doesn't give up and let UH take over.
Blah, blah, final fight, Superman saves them all, defeats Wilde and sends his indestructable body into space, but not before Lois finds out that Clark is Superman. However, she won't go public, because she realizes that he needs to keep his identity a secret. All is fine with the world. Except for the last shot after the credits. Ultra-Humanite's body is leaving our solar system... and passes Brainiac's ship.
My approach is to start from scratch without telling his origin again. In fact, I picked a villain that has no ties to Krypton or Kryptonite. Or any alien planet, for that matter. The Kents aren't even mentioned. And yet, the movie is not a sequel. Lex appears without being the bad guy with another real estate scheme again.
And if this one is successful, I'd shoot parts two and three back to back, to be released in 2012 and 2013, respectively. You'll notice that 2013 marks Superman's 75th anniversary.
The first sequel will be Superman: The Man of Steel.
In it, Superman confronts Brainiac (played by Sir Ben Kingsley).
Brainiac is collecting bottle cities much like in the current storyline by Geoff Johns and has set his eyes on Metropolis. In his (completely redesigned) Fortress of Solitude, Superman tries to find out more about him and discovers that Brainiac has stolen the Kryptonian city of Kandor (by the way, Krypton will look completely different from the previous movies). Blah, blah, they fight, Brainiac overpowers Superman and traps him in a bottle, Superman manages to free himself, defeat Brainiac and restore Metropolis. But Brainiac manages to get away and leaves a good-bye present behind. Doomsday. The second half of the movie has Doomsday (a CGI-creature like the last Hulk) fighting Lexcorp guards, maybe one or two established DC heroes from other movies and finally Superman. In the end, Superman sacrifices himself and saves the world. The after-credits-scene introduces the four replacements.
The third movie would have to be Superman: Resurrection.
It would play with the classic "Return of Superman" storyline. We get to meet Superboy (played by former child star Miko Hughes).
In this continuity, Superboy is a teenage refugee from Kandor, the only Kryptonian besides Superman that made it out of the bottle. I wouldn't use the clone angle, because we already have a clone in Bizarro (played by Jonny Lee Miller).
Bizarro is a clone of Superman that Luthor created at Lexcorp, but one that he can control 100%. Yes, that is right, this Lex is evil after all. Big surprise. Anyway, he'll take the Eradicator's part, since we haven't really had a chance to introduce that character in the previous movies and his connection to Krypton is a bit too complicated. The other two will be more or less the same, however. There is Steel (played by Michael Clarke Duncan).
Yeah, you know, John Henry Irons (who Superman saved back in part one, remember?) becomes Steel to honor the fallen hero, much like in the comic book back then. No Shaq in this movie. No Judd Nelson either. God, that movie sucked.
Anyway, replacement Superman #4 will be the Cyborg, of course. The main difference? This is not Fantastic Four ripoff character Hank Henshaw. This is the Ultra-Humanite, who has returned from space.
In the end, Superboy, Bizarro and Steel defeat Ultra-Humanite and the real Superman returns, just like in the comic book. Happy end.
Except for Bizarro. But that's stuff for another sequel. One that finally focuses on Luthor.Comment
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