Geoff to blame for underperformance of movie?

[Darth_Primus Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Darth_Primus]

I don't think Green Lantern is Science Fiction.

GL is more fantasy than sci-fi. Same with Star Wars

I fine with this.

[TheGoatLantern Beta-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close TheGoatLantern]

me am too?

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

I think there has to be some reasonable expectation that the society being portrayed has significant parallels to modern human society.

That doesn't take much, though, and the actual time period or name of the species involved are not really barriers to that. I have a hard time with any definition of SF that wouldn't include Asimov's Nightfall simply because it takes place entirely on an alien world, with no humans in sight.

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That doesn't take much, though, and the actual time period or name of the species involved are not really barriers to that. I have a hard time with any definition of SF that wouldn't include Asimov's Nightfall simply because it takes place entirely on an alien world, with no humans in sight.

Fair enough... but if you're going to tell me that He-Man is Science Fiction we're gonna have words...

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I don't think Green Lantern is Science Fiction.

I don't either.

That's not to say one COULDN'T write a story that WAS pretty much SF, set in either the GL or Star Wars universe. But such a story would be a departure from the norm.

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Fair enough... but if you're going to tell me that He-Man is Science Fiction we're gonna have words...

I don't know WHAT He-Man is (outside of a giant toy commercial, I suppose). It never made sense to me even within its own context. How can Castle Grayskull NOT be Skeletor's headquarters? The place just SCREAMS evil. It has a freakin' SKULL for an entrance.

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I don't know WHAT He-Man is (outside of a giant toy commercial, I suppose). It never made sense to me even within its own context. How can Castle Grayskull NOT be Skeletor's headquarters? The place just SCREAMS evil. It has a freakin' SKULL for an entrance.

I always just looked at it like a Top Gun cartoon.

[Darth_Primus Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Darth_Primus]

Same here.

Before I blame Johns for anything, I'd truly like to know his involvement of the film. Meaning, creditable sources and links and not some anonymous source or blogger.

Geoff Johns won me over with his Sinestro Corps. I believe that storyline brought a lot of new fans into the world of Green Lantern.

He was on set a lot and was responsible for the parallax over legion change but I do not believe he was as in charge as some might think.

So, I did some research and read some of the posts regarding this issue. I thought the opinions were pretty interesting.

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/...egion&page=160

Dated 10-07-2010

Its a bit early to be introducing Paralax aint it? Its only Hal's origin story isnt it?

Obviously Geoff Johns, Chief Creative Officer at DC Entertainment, considers it important for Green Lantern as a brand that it's crystal clear from the beginning that Greedo shot f..., I mean that Hal would never cross the line from hero to anti-hero. By tying his version of Parallax (the entity of fear, not Hal's nom-de-guerre after Emerald Twilight) to the first movie in what will hopefully become a successful series, he prevents anyone down the line from making an Emerald Twilight movie in which Hal is responsible for all the death and destruction.

Basically, Parallax is replacing Legion in Emerald Dawn - and responsible for Hector Hammond's transformation.

Which works GREAT for me. Get that shit off of the table.

Dated 10-08-2010

Johns also claimed that the movie will be faithful to the comics. ""If you guys like the comics now, you'll probably like the film"

you'll probably like the film? Not you're going to love the film? This should have been a red flag as it's not a very confident endorsement.


http://www.newsarama.com/film/wonder...le-110406.html

Dated: Apr. 6, 2011

Geoff Johns expressed that Green Lantern projects will definitely stand out from other superhero films, both animated and live-action. "My hope is to really bring Green Lantern to the mainstream. It's not just a superhero, it's really sci fi. It's a little bit Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings. I keep thinking about the movie The Last Starfighter. And it's got that great core about overcoming fear. You're chosen because there's something inside of you. I think that's very inspiring. I like the vastness of it. It's not about the ring, it's about people wearing the ring. You can do a story on Earth or a story in space. I always liked the Cantina scene in Star Wars and things like the Green Lantern Corps group scenes, it's like imagine the Cantina but with so many more aliens and they're wearing green cop uniforms."

Dated June 17, 2011

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...Than_A_Trilogy

On what his duties as the Producer of Green Lantern were:


I was there as a Green Lantern guru. I've been writing Green Lantern stories for seven years, so when they started talking about the film (in 2008), they brought me in to tap into what I was doing with the books and make sure we were celebrating everything that was Green Lantern. A lot of the heavy lifting for me was when Michael Goldenberg was writing a draft of the script. We worked a lot on the mythology, making sure that its foundation, which is about overcoming fear, and the core characters were represented. But it was a really collaborative effort. I wasn't a cop. It wasn't like, "Make his boots shorter!" That's useless. It was more about, "Why is Hal Jordan a compelling character? What is Sinestro's real motivation? Why is he so driven? What are the attributes of the Green Lantern Corps' and Guardians (of the Universe) that you want to accentuate?"

I've read these articles, and Geoff Johns talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk.

The audiences were not treated to Sinestro's real motiviation. However, I still wondering Why is Hal Jordan a compelling character after seeing the movie. And more over, I could see why Johns thought of The Last Starfight when describing Green Lantern, as the musical score sounded like it was from an 80's film like that and the quality of the film seems to be on par with that film.

Anyway, Johns was brought in to make sure the essense of the character and mythos was conveyed in the film, as he is "a Green Lantern guru." I don't think he accomplished what he was brought in to do.

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The audiences were not treated to Sinestro's real motiviation. However, I still wondering Why is Hal Jordan a compelling character after seeing the movie. And more over, I could see why Johns thought of The Last Starfight when describing Green Lantern, as the musical score sounded like it was from an 80's film like that and the quality of the film seems to be on par with that film.

Anyway, Johns was brought in to make sure the essense of the character and mythos was conveyed in the film, as he is "a Green Lantern guru." I don't think he accomplished what he was brought in to do.

That's because he doesn't actually understand character motivation. You can see it played out over the last 7 years clear as day.

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Man, it's just a shame. Johns has been pretty much the face of the franchise; talking the movie up to media outlets and at convention panels and now not a word.

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

Man, it's just a shame. Johns has been pretty much the face of the franchise; talking the movie up to media outlets and at convention panels and now not a word.

The real shame is how obvious it's been over the last 7 years that most comic books fans don't give a shit about writing. They want mindless wish fulfillment, a sense of belonging (without actually having to do anything to earn it) and lots of 'splosions.

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Geoff Johns is showing his real colors!

[Tazer That Evil, Yellow Bastiche Find all posts View Profile Close Tazer]

Yo.

I'm not going to say he's to blame, however judging from what the script looked like before he came aboard and what the shooting script looked like after he came aboard, his fingerprints are all over the movie start to finish so no matter what he has to assume some level of it.

actually, if he's the 1 responsible for the changes Ive noted between the leaked & shooting script (U can find a link to it if U look closely @me), then any blame he gets would be a GOOD THING as we were thankfully spared the "recharging the Ring thru the power of *love*" - stomach-churning ending......

I don't want to get into a debate,but most hardcore fans hate the new Bonds. If you liked watching James bond play Poker for half a movie,more power to you. Craig was so bad I wrote an apology letter to George Lazenby.lol But I guess taste is subjective. and the mob is not always right,but Bond is still dead to me now.
As for Green Lantern. It is a good flick. My major complaint is that it is too much like every other comic movie. spoilers below. Well kinda

.love intrest knows the secret identity
.battle damaged suit
.villian dies
.multiple villians
I could go on but you get the point. I don't see why this movie is being treated like it is an asshole for following the formula. Maybe because it has Michael Clark Duncan in it?

I disagree w/U about Craig in CR; it wasnt my fave Bond -film, but I enjoyed it still (I still say that Brosnan was the best Bond *EVAR!!* tho, as he had that good mix of both Connerys gruffness & Moores smoothness........), however I agree that this movie following wats become the "Superhero Movie Formula" didnt help it at all.

So, is the script (pre-shooting) online anywhere? Or even the shooting script? I'd love to read them.

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Same here.
Before I blame Johns for anything, I'd truly like to know his involvement of the film. Meaning, creditable sources and links and not some anonymous source or blogger.
Geoff Johns won me over with his Sinestro Corps. I believe that storyline brought a lot of new fans into the world of Green Lantern.

I repeat: if U look closely at me, U'll find that which ya seek-ith.

The basic fundamental flaw of this movie is that it did NOT demonstrate why Hal Jordan is the Greatest Lantern of all. How he succeeded when the "most elite Lanterns" failed. Instead we got some Top Gun fly at the seat of you pants Maverick bullshit on how Hal defeated Parallax. This did not demonstrate Will Power or "the ability to overcome fear." It was an act of foolishness and desperation that any Green Lantern could have performed.

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Hal not using his "Will Power" to defeat Parallax is akin to a Jedi not using the Force and Lightsaber to subdue an enemy. So say all you want about Thor, but at least he used his hammer to reach a final resolution.
Hal not using his ring or demonstrating his will power is a crime I cannot look past.

thank U comrade, as the above was a major reason why I, as much as I wanted to like this film............simply couldnt give it a pass: it simply ignored too many concepts that were central & important to the mythos.

I've read these articles, and Geoff Johns talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk. The audiences were not treated to Sinestro's real motiviation. However, I still wondering Why is Hal Jordan a compelling character after seeing the movie. And more over, I could see why Johns thought of The Last Starfight when describing Green Lantern, as the musical score sounded like it was from an 80's film like that and the quality of the film seems to be on par with that film.

Anyway, Johns was brought in to make sure the essense of the character and mythos was conveyed in the film, as he is "a Green Lantern guru." I don't think he accomplished what he was brought in to do.

if he was brought in to do that, then Id agree that he failed, but I still say that given wat was in the script previous to his involvement, then he actually did us a HUGE FAVOR........




Tazer

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The real shame is how obvious it's been over the last 7 years that most comic books fans don't give a shit about writing. They want mindless wish fulfillment, a sense of belonging (without actually having to do anything to earn it) and lots of 'splosions.

"Beloning"?

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Yo.

I repeat: if U look closely at me, U'll find that which ya seek-ith.


Tazer

Sup.

Thank you compadre.